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Caching => General Caching => Topic started by: StickBouncer on November 25, 2012, 10:24:41 pm

Title: I have had enough
Post by: StickBouncer on November 25, 2012, 10:24:41 pm
After yet another run in with a reviewer about placing caches I have had enough. I do not like conflict and I do not like being treated unfairly. I have appealed to groundspeak but expect they will side with the reviewer no matter what I say.

I was just starting to find new ways to enjoy caching too but at the moment I feel the event on 5th Jan will be the last thing I do geo-caching wise
Title: Re: I have had enough
Post by: Gackt on November 26, 2012, 06:30:30 am
I am sorry to hear that. I don't know the scenarios surrounding your dealings with reviewers and placing caches, hopefully you can resolve them.

There is always the option of hosting caches on sites that have different review processes.
Title: Re: I have had enough
Post by: StickBouncer on November 26, 2012, 07:20:07 am
Sorry to be a little thick but I did not know that there were any other sites could someone direct me to them please
Title: Re: I have had enough
Post by: Griff Grof on November 26, 2012, 05:33:14 pm
Sorry to hear that  :( The reviewers do get on my nerves a bit sometimes too, but they do give up a lot of time for us, and they are mostly friendly, and mostly do a good job.

With regards to other listing sites, there are a few, but http://www.opencaching.org.uk/ (http://www.opencaching.org.uk/) Opencaching UK is the second biggest one after GC.com. Garmin's Opencaching project also is home to a few UK caches http://www.opencaching.com/en/ (http://www.opencaching.com/en/)

Hope that helps, and again, sorry to hear that you're wanting to give up!  :'(

PS - walk tall may want to join in here, I know he takes part in Opencaching UK a bit?
Title: Re: I have had enough
Post by: Gackt on November 26, 2012, 06:35:17 pm
TerrCaching.com (http://www.terracaching.com) is another site. It currently has only fraction of the caches of Groundspeak's GC.com, or the UK Opencaching site, but it does have some good quality caches list there, plus some unique ones not allowed on GC.com.

The user interface is a bit slow and dated, that is a minus point. But if you are not bothered about that, even though there are hardly any caches around the Cotswold part of the country, if you place a cache someone will come and find it. I have found that out. I have placed 2 caches on there, and cachers have travelled from East Anglia just to do. There are some die hard caching enthusiasts on there.
Title: Re: I have had enough
Post by: Griff Grof on November 26, 2012, 06:45:25 pm
The user interface is a bit slow and dated, that is a minus point.

Which is why I haven't registered... It looks so dated I thought the site was no longer maintained  :o Which is a shame, because it does seem, as you've said, like it is a good community  :)

I think the GC.com one has a bit of both though - numbers and good quality - take Wrighty caches for example  ;D - so it appeals to everyone, thus it has more users.
Title: Re: I have had enough
Post by: walktall on November 26, 2012, 07:39:06 pm
Yes I have three caches on http://www.opencaching.org.uk/ but there is a lack of Opencaching caches in the area. They do have some good ideas like my virtual cache - you get a number from the location and this is the password to log the cache  ;D
Title: Re: I have had enough
Post by: Griff Grof on November 26, 2012, 08:42:06 pm
They do have some good ideas like my virtual cache - you get a number from the location and this is the password to log the cache  ;D

Some definite positives  ;D For a start they still welcome new virtual caches!  ;D ;D And I do like the password idea, very clever indeed  :D  :)
Title: Re: I have had enough
Post by: Bear and Ragged on November 26, 2012, 11:32:59 pm
Recommend opencaching.ORG.UK
Not the other one!

TerraCaching site IS maintained. It has 'recently' been taken over and a new site "Is in the pipeline..." (Not sure #when# though!)
There's at least one TeraCacher near and ready to sponsor you...  ;)
(And ready to go for the FTF!
Title: Re: I have had enough
Post by: Griff Grof on November 27, 2012, 08:04:59 am
Recommend opencaching.ORG.UK
Not the other one!

TerraCaching site IS maintained. It has 'recently' been taken over and a new site "Is in the pipeline..." (Not sure #when# though!)
There's at least one TeraCacher near and ready to sponsor you...  ;)
(And ready to go for the FTF!

Well I mentioned the other one because TJ has found a coupe on there  :o But the .org.uk is recognized to be better  ;)

This thread is making me feel likes signing up to one of these other sites as well  ::) :)
Title: Re: I have had enough
Post by: StickBouncer on November 27, 2012, 09:03:01 am
I have looked at a number of these other sites and have signed up. Already have a sponsor on one of them. I hope that this will dilute the negative effects that the situation has caused. Thanks for all your help and comments I will let this thread run as it is good to hear everything that has been said.
Title: Re: I have had enough
Post by: StickBouncer on December 09, 2012, 09:18:23 pm
Despite my best efforts to engage with the reviewer and Groundspeak. My efforts have fallen on deaf ears. My reviewer has now told me to contact Groundspeak and request another reviewer and he is disabling any caches I submit . http://images.smfboards.com/caf/images/post/angry.gif



This is most annoying as I need to get a number of reviews completed in order for the caches to be live in time for 5/1/2013 and I also have an entry for Birdies Peach Jar Challenge which has taken almost a month to sort out and Build.http://cachewalker.createaforum.com/Smileys/default/cry.gif
Title: Re: I have had enough
Post by: Gackt on December 09, 2012, 09:34:28 pm
Without giving too much away about the plans for your new caches, are you able to say what sort of problems you have hit against with the reviewers? Is it landowner permission related, or is it something else?
Title: Re: I have had enough
Post by: StickBouncer on December 09, 2012, 10:16:22 pm
Trying not to go into a rant

The issues are not relating to landowner permission but over zealous interpretation of Guidelines when reviewing my caches compared with what they allow others to write or where they are allowed to place caches.

This reviewer seems to have had it in for me for some time and I have tried to work round and with them to resolve issues without success. There is nothing unique about the caches that they have most recently disabled Although one makes little sense now as I have had to remove the name of the historic building it relates to so as to not infringe soliciting rules. It is like a Church micro without the name of the Church being mentioned. Also they will not publish my descriptions if they contain information they consider "unnecessary".

The cache I have been working on For BPJC2 is a multi part of which is to be done during the day and finished as a night cache. Full permissions have been obtained and a months work put in so far to build place and hide some of the most bizarre puzzles I have ever made. Yet as the reviewer is disabling any cache I submit there is little point of even submitting it.

In the past they have made me move a cache because it was 1m too close to another. Is this not being a little too pedantic?
Title: Re: I have had enough
Post by: Gackt on December 10, 2012, 08:08:26 am
I have never had such problems myself. I have had to change the location of a multi final once, because I had sat it in an area marked scheduled monument, but that is all. That was my fault, I had not checked the map properly.

Not publishing caches because the reviewers consider description information to be not necessary, I find interesting. Could be lots of possible scenarios there. If unnecessary information is being used in a fun way to mask the true direction of how to solve a puzzle, as long as the puzzle is solvable that shouldn't be a problem.

1m too close is technically breaking their publishing guidelines. I would like to think that reviewers would give in a little for situations where moving a cache 1m is out of the question. It would certainly be better than falsifying the coords slightly to get published which I have heard of in the past. But I have not had that experience personally and so couldn't say if they ever bend. Maybe other more experienced members here know differently.

I hope groundspeak are able to assign you another reviewer quickly, and that things work out for you.
Title: Re: I have had enough
Post by: walktall on December 10, 2012, 10:43:26 am
It would interesting to hear a reviewers comments on how they review and what guide lines they work to that they can not 'bend' the rules on. Or would they not admit to such things, as cachers may use this to 'bend' the rules themselves knowing it would get published.

I certainly now check with Magic Map (http://www.follow-the-arrow.co.uk/resources/magic.html) my co-ordinates as this is a tool the reviewers use and have to rely on (even if it is wrong!) as they can't travel to a cache site to check or try and find the information on the net - we just wouldn't get any caches published!

I know Groundspeak are VERY adverse to any form of advertising even if it isn't meant e.g. I will only mention the pub's name once for an Event and any caches I publish to co-inside with the Event, I may only mention it once in the first cache as a possible parking spot and refer to it as "the near by pub".