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Re: CacheWalker Footballer's Challenge
« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2014, 12:41:21 pm »
Thanks, I will keep an eye on it as the location of the TB changed, just not the miles.

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Re: CacheWalker Footballer's Challenge
« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2014, 12:54:05 pm »
Looks to have updated now

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Re: CacheWalker Footballer's Challenge
« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2014, 01:12:42 pm »
Woo hoo, top of the league, just watch my TB set up home in this cache now and move no further  ;D

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Re: CacheWalker Footballer's Challenge
« Reply #33 on: January 22, 2014, 06:58:12 pm »
The mileage doesn't seem to be accumulating according to the published rules. It is counting to the first dip rather than the first drop for the same cacher.

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Re: CacheWalker Footballer's Challenge
« Reply #34 on: January 22, 2014, 07:05:16 pm »
It is the 1st visit that counts, it is immaterial if that is a drop/visit/dip or anything else.

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Re: CacheWalker Footballer's Challenge
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2014, 08:55:49 pm »
Yes, that's what is happening but its not what the rules say :

•Virtual drops (Dipping) will not be counted

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Re: CacheWalker Footballer's Challenge
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2014, 09:09:39 pm »
The rule continues to say "...if moved on by the same Cacher only the FIRST jump will be counted" - this is the first jump - Although I see your point, and how this contrasts with 'Virtual drops will not be counted' before it, it is still within the guidelines - as TJ said, the rule means that virtual drops will not be counted for total mileage (dipping again and again) - but the FIRST drop will count - whatever form of log it is - the cacher should've read the rules  :D

Something else has been brought to my attention, some are twisting the rules - it might be necessary to add an extra rule soon. Need to think about this. What are your views on adding another rule 1 month in?

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Re: CacheWalker Footballer's Challenge
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2014, 10:27:50 pm »
Rules 5 and 6 that Griff has added need to be removed as they contradict the main rules of the race. I had only read the TB run rules before not the extra ones that were added.

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Re: CacheWalker Footballer's Challenge
« Reply #38 on: January 28, 2014, 08:00:52 am »
What?

Rules 5&6 were never added - they were part of last year's CWSBC and the one before that (I copied these word for word from the old rules)

Rules 3 (If a footballer starts its journey in Brazil it will need to enter another country, and re-enter Brazil to win this half of the title.) and 8 (If your Footballer goes missing...) were the only ones that I've added.

Personally, I don't see how they contradict. Dipping again and again indeed doesn't count but if the TB's first jump is a dip it will - it says this, although, I admit, not too clearly...

The TB-run rules are exactly the same to the ones here and vice versa, always have been. Each time I modified one set, I went strait to do the same to the other.
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Re: CacheWalker Footballer's Challenge
« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2014, 08:29:10 am »
Rule 5 that was added by race organiser states that virtual drops (dipping) will not be counted. But the TB-run rules state that only the 1st placed/visit will count. So, as far as I can see if the 1st movement of the TB is a dip then it WILL count

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Re: CacheWalker Footballer's Challenge
« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2014, 09:34:48 am »
I must admit I read it as 'dipping' would not be counted, I did wonder how this was going to be implemented though. Maybe you need to reword Rule 5, something like the following:

From:

"Virtual drops (Dipping) will not be counted - TBs must be dropped & collected by different Cachers (if moved on by the same Cacher only the FIRST jump will be counted)"

To:

"TBs must be dropped & collected by different Cachers (if moved on by the same Cacher only the FIRST jump will be counted, regardless of 'Visited' or 'Dropped Off' log, any subsequent logs by the same Cacher will not be counted)."

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Re: CacheWalker Footballer's Challenge
« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2014, 11:46:52 am »
It does seem that this has caused some confusion but this rule was discussed in last year's race and I thought we had sorted it out.

I know I was trying to stop a cacher dipping my TB due to this rule:
My bike needs a new gear box or at least another cacher, as it is being 'dipped' at the moment :(

A tweak of the wording could be best, so cachers understand that it is the first cache "Dropped Off" or "Visited" that counts when a cacher dips a TB.


And what about none physical caches where there is no box to put your TB in i.e. Earth, Web cam & Virtual, can these count as the first cache as they can only be "Visited" by the TB?
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Re: CacheWalker Footballer's Challenge
« Reply #42 on: January 28, 2014, 04:06:25 pm »
Rule 5 that was added by race organiser states that virtual drops (dipping) will not be counted. But the TB-run rules state that only the 1st placed/visit will count. So, as far as I can see if the 1st movement of the TB is a dip then it WILL count
I've been agreeing with you on this for previous posts - yes, it's not clear, but the rule says the first jump will count but dipping will not count for total mileage i.e. if a cacher were to dip it to every cache they visit, hoping to help add mileage, it will not count.

So, I agree, Gaz Zippy, this needs to be amended, was planning to do so this afternoon :) - I will change this to your wording.

As WT says, this rule has always been there, since the dawn of the CWSBC - I didn't write any of them myself - other than the two added this year.
I don't remember any confusion for last year's race. It's always said that virtual drops will not be counted - so indeed you were right - but what has that got to do with the first jump?

I think that it could be an error on TB-run's side, as I cannot remember any one complaining about this last year. This is why, although far more complicated, Mel's way of recording the mileage by hand was better  :D

Now another problem  :o - won't name names, but there are some participants who have started to cache together and have been placing their TBs in a cache, each one taking another's out, traveling far to another cache together, placing, taking another out etc etc - basically, twisting the rules 'Footballers cannot move their own TBs along' - but they are present with the people moving. Have had some complaints and one request from someone wishing to withdraw from the race, as this isn't right - any suggestions for what to do??
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Re: CacheWalker Footballer's Challenge
« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2014, 04:53:46 pm »
You cannot write a rule for every eventuality unfortunately... common sense should prevail, it is a shame that someone wants to leave the race based on the actions of others though, I thought this was supposed to be a bit of fun?

Ok I own up...... I moved a fellow cachers footballer TB on, I moved it a whole one mile, so I didn't see that as a problem  ;D




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Re: CacheWalker Footballer's Challenge
« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2014, 05:23:45 pm »
I wouldn't worry about it, they have only added approx 100 miles. It will be immaterial by the end of the year

 


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